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Michael Heydekamp
Hello,

see subject. Just login/logout, you'll see it yourself instantly. Please
test your stuff before committing it. Can't access anything, interface is
broken, etc. pp.

Urgent fix appreciated.

Win10/64, FF (but same with Edge).

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Re: Current 1.3-git completely broken/unusable (eben w/o any plugins)

Michael Heydekamp
Am 06.02.2017 22:20, schrieb Michael Heydekamp:

> see subject. Just login/logout, you'll see it yourself instantly. Please
> test your stuff before committing it. Can't access anything, interface is
> broken, etc. pp.
>
> Urgent fix appreciated.
>
> Win10/64, FF (but same with Edge).

Addendum: Classic skin. Upon logout, I'm getting the following:

> ANFORDERUNGSPRÜFUNG FEHLGESCHLAGEN
>
> Zu Ihrer Sicherheit wird der Zugriff auf diese Ressource mit CSRF geschützt.
> Wenn Sie dies sehen, haben Sie sich wahrscheinlich vor dem Verlassen der
> Webanwendung nicht abgemeldet.

> Nun ist eine menschliche Interaktion erforderlich, um fortzusetzen.
> Bitte kontaktieren Sie Ihren Server-Administrator.

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Re: Current 1.3-git completely broken/unusable (eben w/o any plugins)

Daniel Rauer-2
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Please calm down and re-think before posting. Current development branch
is not meant to be used for production. Use a stable release and
re-think your position, this is a community-driven project.

Daniel


On 02/06/2017 10:20 PM, Michael Heydekamp wrote:

> Hello,
>
> see subject. Just login/logout, you'll see it yourself instantly. Please
> test your stuff before committing it. Can't access anything, interface is
> broken, etc. pp.
>
> Urgent fix appreciated.
>
> Win10/64, FF (but same with Edge).
>
> Cheers,
>


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Re: Current 1.3-git completely broken/unusable (eben w/o any plugins)

A.L.E.C
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On 02/06/2017 10:28 PM, Michael Heydekamp wrote:
> Addendum: Classic skin. Upon logout, I'm getting the following:
>
>> ANFORDERUNGSPRÜFUNG FEHLGESCHLAGEN

Works for me.

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Re: Current 1.3-git completely broken/unusable (eben w/o any plugins)

Cor Bosman
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If this is such a problem for you that it needs an urgent fix, please stop using the git development branch. Just use a stable branch.

If you insist, at your own perit, in using a development branch, then please keep any reports constructive.  

Cor

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Re: Current 1.3-git completely broken/unusable (even w/o any plugins)

Michael Heydekamp
Am 07.02.2017 13:31, schrieb [hidden email]:

> If this is such a problem for you that it needs an urgent fix, please stop
> using the git development branch. Just use a stable branch.

You may want to take a look at this:

Am 11.01.2017 20:23, schrieb Thomas Bruederli:

> Dear subscribers, we wish you all a happy new year!
>
> Today we published the beta release of the next major version 1.3 of
> Roundcube webmail.
>
>[..]
>
> We're keen to hear your feedback about the new release.
>
> Best,
> Thomas & Alec

If feedback is requested for a specific version, I have to use this version,
right? If I shall not use it, then I can't give any feedback.

Am 07.02.2017 13:31, schrieb [hidden email]:

> If you insist, at your own perit, in using a development branch, then please
> keep any reports constructive.

How more constructive than "completely broken/unusable" can I be if that is
the case...? It's simply dysfunctional, can't access almost anything.

And there are still reasons why to use 1.3-beta, as in the so-called
"stable" version some things do still not work which do/did work in the beta
for a long time already.

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Re: Current 1.3-git completely broken/unusable (even w/o any plugins)

Cor Bosman
Hi Michael,


You may want to take a look at this:

Am 11.01.2017 20:23, schrieb Thomas Bruederli:

Dear subscribers, we wish you all a happy new year!

Today we published the beta release of the next major version 1.3 of
Roundcube webmail.

[..]

We're keen to hear your feedback about the new release.

Best,
Thomas & Alec

If feedback is requested for a specific version, I have to use this version,
right? If I shall not use it, then I can't give any feedback.

They tagged a version for that, https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail/tree/1.3-beta

Am 07.02.2017 13:31, schrieb [hidden email]:

If you insist, at your own perit, in using a development branch, then please
keep any reports constructive.

How more constructive than "completely broken/unusable" can I be if that is
the case...? It's simply dysfunctional, can't access almost anything.

And there are still reasons why to use 1.3-beta, as in the so-called
"stable" version some things do still not work which do/did work in the beta
for a long time already.

There is a difference between a tagged beta, and git master. Git master may get ‘completely broken/unusable’ code pushed, for instance because they want to save work in progress and dont want to risk losing it when their laptop gets stolen. Whatever, there may be all kinds of reasons.

I found your comments a bit aggressive. Words like "completely broken/unusable”, “Please test your stuff before committing”, "Urgent fix appreciated”.  Nothing about git-master is urgent. It is the current head of the development branch and should be treated as very risky. Now, you’re more than welcome to run it, but then accept the fact that it may be broken at times. That’s the nature of the beast.

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Re: Current 1.3-git completely broken/unusable (even w/o any plugins)

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Am 07.02.2017 um 21:11 schrieb Michael Heydekamp:

> Am 07.02.2017 13:31, schrieb [hidden email]:
>
>> If this is such a problem for you that it needs an urgent fix, please stop
>> using the git development branch. Just use a stable branch.
>
> You may want to take a look at this:
>
> Am 11.01.2017 20:23, schrieb Thomas Bruederli:
>
>> Dear subscribers, we wish you all a happy new year!
>>
>> Today we published the beta release of the next major version 1.3 of
>> Roundcube webmail.
>>
>> We're keen to hear your feedback about the new release
>
> If feedback is requested for a specific version, I have to use this version,
> right? If I shall not use it, then I can't give any feedback.

yes, *that* tagged version and not the GIT master

> Am 07.02.2017 13:31, schrieb [hidden email]:
>
>> If you insist, at your own perit, in using a development branch, then please
>> keep any reports constructive.
>
> How more constructive than "completely broken/unusable" can I be if that is
> the case...? It's simply dysfunctional, can't access almost anything

"Please test your stuff before committing it" was your message, well,
please test the random GIT head so that it works basically before put it
in production - that's what staging systems are for and nobody even
blows a announced stable release without staging-testing on the
production server
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Re: Current 1.3-git completely broken/unusable (even w/o any plugins)

Michael Heydekamp
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Am 07.02.2017 21:19, schrieb [hidden email]:

>> If feedback is requested for a specific version, I have to use this version,
>> right? If I shall not use it, then I can't give any feedback.

> They tagged a version for that, https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail/tree/1.3-beta 

I'm aware of that. There are two major reasons why I've been using
git-master (for many years already, BTW):

1) I can report new invented bugs/glitches/regressions instantly (before
they make it to the next (beta) release). And we had such cases in the past.

2) OTOH, I can benefit from any bug fixes and improvements instantly.

I thought that both reasons would make sense. But that would imply that any
current stage of the code is usable in the way that mails can at least be
read and responded to.

This was the very first time that the "beast" (your words) didn't do
anything at all anymore.

> I found your comments a bit aggressive. Words like "completely
> broken/unusable", "Please test your stuff before committing", "Urgent fix
> appreciated".

Sorry, they were not meant to be aggressive. But I was just about to send
some very urgent business mails, and all of a sudden nothing did work
anymore. This was more a bit of hectic and nervousness on my part, and I
didn't have the time to send a more "fine tuned" message.

@all: Apologies, if somebody should have felt offended.

We'll be installing the 1.3-beta over the weekend and see if this will work.
Probably there may also be a problem at our end.

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Re: Current 1.3-git completely broken/unusable (even w/o any plugins)

A.L.E.C
On 02/08/2017 09:14 PM, Michael Heydekamp wrote:
> We'll be installing the 1.3-beta over the weekend and see if this will work.
> Probably there may also be a problem at our end.

See this
https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail/commit/8efd2003aad7a063f1ce8322bf028e50edec1500

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Glitches/issues/bugs 1.3 beta release (was: Current 1.3-git completely broken/unusable (even w/o any plugins))

Michael Heydekamp
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Am 08.02.2017 21:14, schrieb Michael Heydekamp:
We'll be installing the 1.3-beta over the weekend and see if this will work.
 
We decided not to do that, but to install the "frozen" 1.3-beta instead (as suggested e.g. by Cor).
 
Am 11.01.2017 20:23, schrieb Thomas Bruederli:
Today we published the beta release of the next major version 1.3 of Roundcube webmail.
[...]
We're keen to hear your feedback about the new release.
 
OK, as you were asking for it:
 
Well, it works at least (which means that you can read and compose e-mails), but after just 20-30 minutes of using it, I did instantly stumble across the following glitches/issues/bugs. And I must admit that it's a bit hard to believe that a) these glitches can make it to a "release" (even if beta) at all, and that b) nobody did report them yet. Am I the only one using/testing this stuff...? Anyway, here we go:
 
1) Just moving the mouse cursor up and down through the list of messages makes a "wandering star" appear in the "marked" column which is vertically moving parallel to the mouse cursor (the arrow below represents the mouse cursor, but it doesnt matter in which column the mouse cursor is placed):
 
 
II have no clue what the purpose of this "wandering star" is, but I don't think it's deliberate.
 
2) The HTML editor is all of a sudden lacking of the faclity to create (numbered or unnumbered) lists. This is what I'm seeing in 1.3 beta release:
 
 
And this is what I'm seeing in 1.2.3 stable release:
 
 
The two items in the red rectangle are missing in 1.3. Therefore, I'm not using a list in this message (which I would have done normally).
 
3) In 1.3 beta release, I'm not able to subscribe/unsubscribe any folders anymore, as the appropriate checkboxes are simply not displayed. Interestingly, this does apply to my company account only, while it's working with my private account. See the following comparison (I did of course hide the names of my customers):
 
 
I can move the splitter of the case in the middle as far to the right as I can, the checkboxes still refuse to show up. My impression is that Roundcube is trying to automatically widen the column according to the length of the folder names - probably some sort of miscalculation here...?
 
4) In the changelog of 1.3, I did find this: "Added Search button in quick search menus (#5312)"
I'm not seeing any such added search button - where would I have to look for it...?
 
5) We have a problem with monospaced fonts, but this I'll report in detail in a later message.
 
Given these problems with 1.3 after just a short time of usage, we might be going back to 1.2.3 altogether (i.e. even in our beta installation) and stop testing/reporting. I could live very well with those glitches for a short time till they've been fixed, but then we would have to install 1.3-git again to be able to benefit from any possible fixes. But as we've been told that the git version may not work at all from time to time, this is not an option anymore.
 
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Re: Glitches/issues/bugs 1.3 beta release

A.L.E.C
On 13.02.2017 00:09, Michael Heydekamp wrote:
> 1) Just moving the mouse cursor up and down through the list of messages
> makes a "wandering star" appear in the "marked" column which is
> vertically moving parallel to the mouse cursor (the arrow below
> represents the mouse cursor, but it doesnt matter in which column the
> mouse cursor is placed):

That's not a bug. The icon is "mark as flagged" button.

> 2) The HTML editor is all of a sudden lacking of the faclity to create
> (numbered or unnumbered) lists. This is what I'm seeing in 1.3 beta release:

That's not an intentional change. The buttons have been lost with update
to newer TinyMCE version. Something to look at.

> 3) In 1.3 beta release, I'm not able to subscribe/unsubscribe any
> folders anymore, as the appropriate checkboxes are simply not displayed.

Works for me. Did you try with different browser? Maybe some plugins are
not compatible with 1.3?

> 4) In the changelog
> <https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail/wiki/Changelog> of 1.3, I
> did find this: /"Added Search button in quick search menus (#5312
> <https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail/issues/5312>)"/
> I'm not seeing any such added search button - where would I have to look
> for it...?

Indeed, the button was added in Larry skin only. Classic is in
maintenance mode and will be probably removed in 1.4.

Thanks for reporting.

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Re: Glitches/issues/bugs 1.3 beta release

Cor Bosman
>
> Indeed, the button was added in Larry skin only. Classic is in
> maintenance mode and will be probably removed in 1.4.

I hope there is an alternative voor mobile at that time. Classic is the only skin that is marginally usable on mobile devices. Larry is completely unusable.

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Re: Glitches/issues/bugs 1.3 beta release

Michael Heydekamp
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Am 13.02.2017 08:27, schrieb A.L.E.C:
> On 13.02.2017 00:09, Michael Heydekamp wrote:
>> 1) Just moving the mouse cursor up and down through the list of messages
>> makes a "wandering star" appear in the "marked" column which is
>> vertically moving parallel to the mouse cursor (the arrow below
>> represents the mouse cursor, but it doesnt matter in which column the
>> mouse cursor is placed):
>
> That's not a bug. The icon is "mark as flagged" button.

I know what the icon means, but I don't understand the purpose of displaying
it. It would make at least some sense if it would appear only when the mouse
cursor is placed in the "marked as flagged" column - but which sense does it
make that it does also appear when the mouse cursor is placed in any other
column (as I clearly described)? If I click on the message in the latter
case, nothing happens (except that - as usual - the message gets
highlighted).

Furthermore, when I place the mouse cursor in the "read/unread" column (the
one with the blue dot), BOTH icons are shown when moving the mouse up and
down.

Sorry, I don't get the purpose. Please explain.

>> 2) The HTML editor is all of a sudden lacking of the faclity to create
>> (numbered or unnumbered) lists. This is what I'm seeing in 1.3 beta release:
>
> That's not an intentional change. The buttons have been lost with update
> to newer TinyMCE version. Something to look at.

Yes, please. But I don't really get it that such a significant glitch can
make it into a beta "release" (and that even nobody did report it yet).

>> 3) In 1.3 beta release, I'm not able to subscribe/unsubscribe any
>> folders anymore, as the appropriate checkboxes are simply not displayed.
>
> Works for me. Did you try with different browser? Maybe some plugins are
> not compatible with 1.3?

Yes, I did test it with Edge - same result.

But as I explained, it DOES work with my private account (which has shorter
folder names), therefore plugins can't be the issue here, right? Did YOU try
it with longer folder names...?

>> 4) In the changelog
>> <https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail/wiki/Changelog> of 1.3, I
>> did find this: /"Added Search button in quick search menus (#5312
>> <https://github.com/roundcube/roundcubemail/issues/5312>)"/
>> I'm not seeing any such added search button - where would I have to look
>> for it...?
>
> Indeed, the button was added in Larry skin only.

Then this should be clearly documented.

> Classic is in maintenance mode and will be probably removed in 1.4.

PLEASE DON'T DO THAT (unless you are inventing an even better UI than the
classic skin).

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Re: Glitches/issues/bugs 1.3 beta release

Michael Heydekamp
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Am 13.02.2017 13:08, schrieb [hidden email]:
>>
>> Indeed, the button was added in Larry skin only. Classic is in
>> maintenance mode and will be probably removed in 1.4.
>
> I hope there is an alternative voor mobile at that time. Classic is the
> only skin that is marginally usable on mobile devices. Larry is completely
> unusable.

+1

But even the Classic skin is - as you said - only marginally usable on a
mobile. If I touch the cogwheel for instance - just to use the "Open as new
message" function (or however it is called in the English interface) -
nothing happens, so the function is unusable.

I also desperately tried to move the splitters to no avail. The only result
I achieved is that the position was set to "zero" (i.e. I cuoldn't see any
messages in the message list anymore).

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Re: Glitches/issues/bugs 1.3 beta release

Michael Heydekamp
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Just to phrase this issue a little bit clearer:

Am 13.02.2017 21:53, schrieb Michael Heydekamp:
> Am 13.02.2017 08:27, schrieb A.L.E.C:
>> That's not a bug. The icon is "mark as flagged" button.
>
> I know what the icon means, but I don't understand the purpose of displaying
> it.

What I mean, is: I know what the icon means, but I don't understand the
purpose of displaying it ALWAYS - no matter in which column the mouse cursor
is placed.

I said that before in my initial message ("the arrow below represents the
mouse cursor, but it doesnt matter in which column the mouse cursor is
placed"), but apparently it has not been realized.

BTW: The stable 1.2.3 is behaving 100% correctly in this respect. Why do get
things broken which did work perfectly before? And why does nobody notice it
BEFORE announcing a (beta) release? <sigh>

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Re: Glitches/issues/bugs 1.3 beta release

Cor Bosman

> On 13 Feb 2017, at 20:22, Michael Heydekamp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Just to phrase this issue a little bit clearer:
>
> Am 13.02.2017 21:53, schrieb Michael Heydekamp:
>> Am 13.02.2017 08:27, schrieb A.L.E.C:
>>> That's not a bug. The icon is "mark as flagged" button.
>>
>> I know what the icon means, but I don't understand the purpose of displaying
>> it.
>
> What I mean, is: I know what the icon means, but I don't understand the
> purpose of displaying it ALWAYS - no matter in which column the mouse cursor
> is placed.
>
> I said that before in my initial message ("the arrow below represents the
> mouse cursor, but it doesnt matter in which column the mouse cursor is
> placed"), but apparently it has not been realized.
>
> BTW: The stable 1.2.3 is behaving 100% correctly in this respect.

I see the exact same behavior on 1.2.3 with the flag column.  I have never heard a single peep from anyone about how terrible that it.

> Why do get
> things broken which did work perfectly before? And why does nobody notice it
> BEFORE announcing a (beta) release? <sigh>

I think you completely misunderstand the purpose of a beta, and even more, the relationship between you and the developers of roundcube.

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Re: Glitches/issues/bugs 1.3 beta release

Michael Heydekamp
Am 14.02.2017 01:45, schrieb [hidden email]:
>> On 13 Feb 2017, at 20:22, Michael Heydekamp <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I see the exact same behavior on 1.2.3 with the flag column.

I can't believe that, sorry.

So, you place your mouse cursor say in the Subject column. Then you move it
up-/downwards. And then you're really seeing this "wandering star" in the
flag column at the very left (in 1.2.3, with Classic skin)?

If so, which browser? With FF and Edge and 1.2.3, I can't replicate your
behaviour.

> I have never heard a single peep from anyone about how terrible that it.

Of course not, as it has never been the case prior to 1.3. And of course,
this is neither the only, nor the most disturbing, nor the most important
issue of all, but it is one. I have mentioned others (of more importance) as
well.

>> Why do get things broken which did work perfectly before? And why does nobody notice it
>> BEFORE announcing a (beta) release? <sigh>
>
> I think you completely misunderstand the purpose of a beta, and even more,
> the relationship between you and the developers of roundcube.

Feel free to think what you like.

But if you want to listen to some facts: I have been the maintainer of a
freeware e-mail client for years as well. OK, that was in the "good ol'
days" of DOS/16 and Borland Pascal, but it was the case. So I'm very well
aware of the "relationship between the users and the developers" (incl. me)
of this kind of software.

The main difference just was (and I mentioned that more than once already
years before in this list): I did TEST (before committing anything) and USE
this software myself on a daily, no, even hourly basis. And of course we had
bugs, but nobody did find that many as me myself. Unfortunately, this isn't
the case with Roundcube and it's devs.

Most people and devs here are posting with Thunderbird, Apple Mail (that is
you) or undeclared user agents. But if you're using Roundcube as your one
and only mail client (which I'm doing for years now), you may have a
different view how it should work in detail (and how it should be tested
before being released).

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Re: Glitches/issues/bugs 1.3 beta release

Cor Bosman

> On 13 Feb 2017, at 22:09, Michael Heydekamp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> Am 14.02.2017 01:45, schrieb [hidden email]:
>>> On 13 Feb 2017, at 20:22, Michael Heydekamp <[hidden email]> wrote:
>> I see the exact same behavior on 1.2.3 with the flag column.
>
> I can't believe that, sorry.
>
> So, you place your mouse cursor say in the Subject column. Then you move it
> up-/downwards. And then you're really seeing this "wandering star" in the
> flag column at the very left (in 1.2.3, with Classic skin)?
>
> If so, which browser? With FF and Edge and 1.2.3, I can't replicate your
> behaviour.

In the larry skin, but I assume the same arguments apply.

>> I have never heard a single peep from anyone about how terrible that it.
>
> Of course not, as it has never been the case prior to 1.3. And of course,
> this is neither the only, nor the most disturbing, nor the most important
> issue of all, but it is one. I have mentioned others (of more importance) as
> well.

It has. It does it right there in the Larry skin.

>>
>> I think you completely misunderstand the purpose of a beta, and even more,
>> the relationship between you and the developers of roundcube.
>
> Feel free to think what you like.
>
> But if you want to listen to some facts: I have been the maintainer of a
> freeware e-mail client for years as well. OK, that was in the "good ol'
> days" of DOS/16 and Borland Pascal, but it was the case. So I'm very well
> aware of the "relationship between the users and the developers" (incl. me)
> of this kind of software.
>
> The main difference just was (and I mentioned that more than once already
> years before in this list): I did TEST (before committing anything) and USE
> this software myself on a daily, no, even hourly basis. And of course we had
> bugs, but nobody did find that many as me myself. Unfortunately, this isn't
> the case with Roundcube and it's devs.
>
> Most people and devs here are posting with Thunderbird, Apple Mail (that is
> you) or undeclared user agents. But if you're using Roundcube as your one
> and only mail client (which I'm doing for years now), you may have a
> different view how it should work in detail (and how it should be tested
> before being released).
>

It wasnt released. It was a beta. Hence my remarks that you dont seem to understand the word beta. If you feel utterly devestated by these glaring faults, dont use a beta.  It would be fine if you would just mention these bugs and be done with it, but you’re just being rude.

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Re: Glitches/issues/bugs 1.3 beta release

Michael Heydekamp
Am 14.02.2017 03:15, schrieb [hidden email]
On 13 Feb 2017, at 22:09, Michael Heydekamp <[hidden email]> wrote:
Am 14.02.2017 01:45, schrieb [hidden email]
On 13 Feb 2017, at 20:22, Michael Heydekamp <[hidden email]> wrote:
I see the exact same behavior on 1.2.3 with the flag column.

I can't believe that, sorry.

So, you place your mouse cursor say in the Subject column. Then you move it
up-/downwards. And then you're really seeing this "wandering star" in the
flag column at the very left (in 1.2.3, with Classic skin)?

If so, which browser? With FF and Edge and 1.2.3, I can't replicate your
behaviour.

In the larry skin, but I assume the same arguments apply.

Don't assume, just test.

Most people and devs here are posting with Thunderbird, Apple Mail (that is
you) or undeclared user agents. But if you're using Roundcube as your one
and only mail client (which I'm doing for years now), you may have a
different view how it should work in detail (and how it should be tested
before being released).

It wasnt released.

No? Oh, well...

Am 11.01.2017 20:23, schrieb Thomas Bruederli:

Dear subscribers, we wish you all a happy new year!

Today we published the beta release of the next major version 1.3 of Roundcube webmail.
 
[...]

We're keen to hear your feedback about the new release.

Best,
Thomas & Alec

You may want to search for the term "release" in the quote above. But for your convenience, I have converted this message to HTML to make your life easier.

Plus that I did quote exactly the above a few messages before already (and even highlighted the terms "beta release" and "release" for a reason), so you could have been aware of it.
 
I did not use the term "release" accidentally.
 
BTW: The timestamp of your machine is wrong. I didn't write my previous message on 13 Feb 22:09, but on 14 Feb 03:09.

Cheers,
-- 
Michael Heydekamp
Co-Admin freexp.de
Düsseldorf/Germany

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